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July 10, 2010, 4:22 pm
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MG Gundam Deathscythe EW

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HG 1/144 00 Qan[T]


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must called it gundam deathscythe ver. ka like wing gundam ver. ka rather than EW.

Comment by setsuna15

agree, there really no point calling it EW, when it is not in the EW ova.

Comment by oohater

i think most people here fails to notice that in EW continuity all of the main gundam is replaced by Katoki’s version, even if it wasn’t shown in the ova, by logic it means the non upgraded main gundam will also be using Katoki’s version. because if they’re not, then it means in EW continuity, Okawara’s deathscythe will be upgraded to Katoki’s death scythe hell custom, which will be very awkward

Comment by rekkou

But it would’ve still been nice to have seen the Katoki versions of the non upgraded main Gundams animated. Too bad that may not happen.

Comment by KamenRiderShinzo

Hmmm the pose of the shown model is abit awkward, should have just pose with the beam scythe.

Comment by Yami

Too many white imo…

Comment by amuro0093

Is it just me or can you already SEE the weight issues on the HG 00 Quan[T}?

Comment by Psybuster

MG Gundam Deathscythe EW..
umm…it looklike Nataku Gundam more than
Deathscythe…and ssee this is Mg oh god is looklike..HG 1/100

Comment by neosis

Yeah, definitely should just called Ka ver. instead.

Comment by LM

@Psybuster:

Oh I see them… and the lack of a hand to hold the GN Sword correctly… and now, a lack of translucent green runners for the GN sword bits.

Comment by setsuna0520

It seems more like it’s a balance issue than anything else. Considering how the 00 Raiser can hold its binders in high positions perfectly well and the shield is apparently held by a similar system…
As for the transparent parts, the Seven Sword comes with green parts for everything that needs them so it’s not because they can’t do them. It’s possible the final version will come with them and that this is a basic prototype just for show.

Comment by Amon

Qan[T] looks like an Ultraman

Comment by amuro0093

about quanta’s funnel/bit/whatever..
look like cloud sword in advent children..the funnel can joined with the sword and become big sword or gun..doesn’t have any fresh idea?

Comment by oro jackson

Oro Jackson: You have better idea?

Comment by Ixasize

@ oro jackson:

C’mon, it’s not like Cloud’s big sword was the first big sword anyways.

And Quan[T] is the first MS in the entire Gundam franchise to have melee-style remote weapons, apparently.

Comment by Sgt. NoOb

why want a handheld big sword when you can have multiple flying small swords? or 1 normal handheld sword + multiple flying swords.

well it does solve the balance problem, 1 big sword on the right, 1 big shield on the left

Comment by oohater

they really suck at posing though

Comment by 73h-fr33m4n

@Sgt. NoOb
why not..quanta using 1 basic sword that combined with 6 flyng sword bit to become 1 sword
same with cloud
1 basic sword can combined with 5 sword to become 1 sword
except cloud sword can’t flyng

Comment by oro jackson

yeah who will believe if you can win a war using sword in world that every one using beam weapon, missile, cannon, that can kill you from far range…except kid

Comment by storm drill

@Oro Jackson
The combined Sword Bits might not be original, but in Gundam universe it’s still the first of its kind. afterall i believe it’s not made based on Cloud’s first tsurugi, but rather the Zui Gadin’s geyser sword from SRW J which is released in the same year as Advent Children. Anyway Zui Gadin is made by Takayuki Yanase so it’s clear where the idea for the GN-sword bits comes from

Comment by rekkou

Zui Gadin and Orgon Burning Sword (Sorry, mistaken the name) the sword can also be separated into a smaller autonomous bits

Comment by rekkou

so ebikawa inspired by his colleague (yanase)?
yeah still not fresh idea don’t you!

Comment by oro jackson

not fresh indeed, but still a good idea

Comment by rekkou

I think this Deathscythe kit maybe it’s not meant to be clasified as a “ver. Ka MG”, in the sense that it won’t come with Katoki styled decals, maybe some cool action boxart (not like ver. Ka ones), and a more standard manual. Also, there are MG kits classified as “ver. Ka” just for coming in this format, considering that they were originally designed by Katoki and weren’t notably altered, the “ver. Ka” designation would be redundant if it wasn’t for this format (Unicorn, Sinanju).

Also, naming Endless Waltz related kits and designs has always been “ambiguous”. You know, they started adding the word “custom” to the kits, which many people uses until now but it was never meant to be an official name for the design. One could think, like most of people, that now they would simply fit the “ver. Ka” classification, but this case is a bit particular, given that it’s a whole “Gundam team” (GW TV ones) being redesigned to be consistent with other redesigns that actually were animated and featured in a cannonical production (GW EW ones).

Another thing. Correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t recall any “ver. Ka” designated variation that wasn’t born from the “Ver. Ka” MG line (you could call the Wing Gundam (EW) ver. Ka kit, but it got the ver. Ka format, so maybe it would be in the same case as Unicorn and Sinanju). If that’s right, it would be another reason to not call GW redesigned Gundams “ver. Ka”, since they were born independently from the “ver. Ka” MG line.

I hope you get my point. Sorry about my poor english… lol

Comment by Virgo

PS: Just a detail. I forgot abou Victory Gundam ver. Ka, it would be in the same case as Unicorn, Sinanju, and Wing Gundam “EW”. Just an extra example.

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Comment by Sgt. NoOb

@Virgo:
The designation “Ver. Ka” means that Katoki himself was involved in the development of the kit. So MGs like those from 0083 and Sentinel (which were all Katoki designs) didn’t get a “Ver. Ka” label because Katoki was not involved in their development.

So the upcoming Deathscythe EW would only be labeled a “Ver. Ka” if Katoki was involved in its development.

Comment by auriga

ver ka. is good kantutan… he should have could it deathscyte ver ka. kantutan

Comment by Deputa

can someone banned Deputa??? he is annoying. and posting some none sense topic

Comment by anon

Deathscythe makes it look like it’s more of HG than MG.

Comment by Aldotsk

what fresh idea? a gundam that uses wooden sword that can slash lots of robots or a gundam that throws paper trash and make enemies explode?

here we go again, the “who copied who’s design” kind of thread.

Comment by XX

the designer who lack of fresh idea?
katoki!..majority all he do only remake other work, even more lancelot from CG he did too

Comment by witch

Quanta looks ridiculous, when will Bandai start producing original suits rather than using the ‘funnel mobile suit’ as a base for their lead gundams?

Comment by S_E

@S_E:
hmmm…

Can you please define “original?”

Comment by auriga

Boy the talk about “what is original”,”which guy has new ideas” and so on…please stop the shit as no one carse if one thinks the idea is not fresh or original.We’re talking about anime mechs,almost everything was in at least one anime before,so theres almost no possibility to make a full original design and if you really think that it is unoriginal,than please make it better and upload it,I would love to see it.

Comment by Itamaki

“Deathsycthe EW” will most likely be called Deathsycthe Ver Ka. when the box art comes out. Why break the trend with this? If it doesn’t get a Ver Ka. box then ill be very surprised.

As for Qan[T] S_E, i guess you didn’t see the pics that the sword bits can combine with the GN Sword to make either a stronger gun mode, or a buster sword. So no its not just another MS with bits/funnels.

Comment by ShinkenRed

@ShinkenRed:

Please read my first post. “Ver. Ka” is only given to a kit (read again, KIT. Not design. KIT) that Katoki helped develop. So far there is no word that he had a hand in its development, so it won’t be called a “Ver. Ka.”

Comment by auriga

What auriga says make sense to me.

Comment by Virgo

“Correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t recall any “ver. Ka” designated variation that wasn’t born from the “Ver. Ka” MG line”

“”Ver. Ka” is only given to a kit (read again, KIT. Not design. KIT) that Katoki helped develop.”

The term Ver. Ka. has been used in relation to Gundam items for almost twenty years now. It first referred to the Gundam Ver. Ka, from Katoki’s “Sentinel 0079” design series. It was common among discussion of Gundam designs by Katoki long before there were ever Ver. Ka MG kits… long before there were even Gundam Fix action figures.

Learn your history before you say ridiculous things that have no basis in reality.

Comment by anon

re: MG Gundam DS EW…the topic about the name was talked into the ground in a past post:

https://superrobotwar.wordpress.com/2010/06/01/upcoming-new-gunpla-september/#comments

more pics of Qan[T] and funnel combinations:
http://toy-world.com.hk/forum/viewthread.php?tid=24825&extra=page%3D1&page=5

Sorry…I don’t have the patience right now to make these hyperlinks.

Comment by BlueAleseides

@anon:
I have no way to verify your statement, but I do know that for the MG line “Ver. Ka” means that Katoki was involved in the development. This is consistent with what we have seen so far (hence redundancies such as Unicorn, Sinanju, and Victory “Ver. Ka”).

You may be correct in saying that the upcoming Deathscythe EW may be considered a “Ver. Ka” as it is technically a Katoki variation, but I don’t expect Bandai to officially print the words “Ver. Ka” on the box of the kit. Get what I mean?

Comment by auriga

katoki was lacking in ideas? hmmm… do any of u guys know about gundam rx-78GP03D? that was his work, can any of u top that?

Comment by ngancil

@ngancil:
I wouldn’t say Katoki lacks ideas. His variations give a good spin on existing designs (except for Turn-A and Exia, I didn’t like what he did with them). He pretty much innovated Gundam (if not mech) design.

But IMO, lately his designs have been… bland. At times repetitive, even (R1 shares the transformation features of the Z-Plus). I dunno, just can’t put my finger on it… They’re still impressive (ie, Sinanju), but they no longer give off the awesome aura I felt with his designs from Sentinel or Endless Waltz. Perhaps Katoki’s overexposed already? Or is it the emergence of new designers such as Ebikawa and Yanase?

But that’s just my opinion.

Comment by auriga

hey son, you like that weird sandwich gundam rx-78GP03D?
yeah for katoki’s fanbois, that overdressed and weird design, always cool!!

you know what’s the famous MS in UC?
the legendary rx 78 & zaku by okawa
Zeta by fujita & okawa
nu & sazabi by izubuchi…they are great & charismatic not like katoki’s overdressed design

his work never being a legend,
majority of his done just mess up with other design

Comment by dragon

Recently I read that it was Katoki that gave Fukui the idea that Unicorn needs a new enemy MS instead of just using Geara Doga that Fukui had in mind AN now we have that junk called Geara Zulu. Katoki has only ever been good at making variations of existing designs and drawing nice line arts. His “original” designs are not that great usually. His best IMO were S-Gundam, Xeku series, V and Crossbone. I don’t even get the fandom around Wing Zero Custom. Sure it looks nice, but it’s just a gundam with a pair of wings!! That’s not really a “design”.

Comment by da_guy

It’s really amusing to see people trying to make their opinion seem like fact.

@dragon:
First, it’s OkawaRA, not Okawa. Second, like, DUH, way to make a point by using the main mechs of UC – anyone who says that they’re not famous would be nothing short of stupid.

How would Katoki’s work “never being a legend”? He was the first designer who brought the element of realism and proportion in MS designs, a huge departure from Okawara’s cartoonish designs. He was behind the designs for Sentinel, 0083, 08th MS Team and EW. When discussing Gundam design, his name is sure to pop up along with Okawara. He even has his own line of merchandise.

And oh… “hey son”? Superiority complex, much?

@da_guy:
I like the Geara Zulu, especially the Royal Guard version. And how’s the Wing Zero Custom “not really a “design””? Humor me, please.

—–

You guys don’t like Katoki. Fine. I myself no longer worship him as much as I did before (see my previous post). But don’t go around spouting your opinions as if they were fact. I respect other people’s opinions, but not if they go around with a “we’re right, you’re wrong” attitude.

Comment by auriga

kuni, kunio, okawa, okawasan okasan wthell with that! only a fucking idiot put thinking cap on how i called him…

How would Katoki’s work “never being a legend”? of course because his work can’t even compared with work of senior designer (above)

are u idiot, katoki the first make a realism?
of course katoki fanbois don’t know history of UC…

and what you mean on cartoonis design by okawa? rX 78 and zaku that made at 1979? and you compared with sentinel that made at 1987? think that son!
okawa design (gundams design) evoluted in Z and ZZ

zeta that made at 1985 is a huge leap from first gundam, and they not like cartoonish

sentinel only used kobayashi, okamoto and akitaka idea in ZZ, in other way katoki get idea from his senior from previous gundam series

dont make bullshit in front of me son!!

Comment by dragon

@dragon:

You can’t even identify your favourite mech designers properly. Noob shit is noob.

When talking about Katoki’s work, I like to call that template “detailed realism”. It’s not the most innovative thing under the sun (to put it simply, blocks and asthetically pleasing shapes with well-placed detail lines and decal madness make the bulk of his work), but it takes more skill then you’ll ever possess in your life to pull off, to say nothing of the styles of others in the trade like Shoji Kawamori.

Way to prove that you’re a fan of Okawara and the first generation of mecha designers. You want to sound old and wise, GTFO of your tiny room and go to the community centre or something, oji-san.

Comment by iflameu

@dragon:

Shall I break down your argument bit-by-bit? My pleasure!

“of course because his work can’t even compared with work of senior designer (above) ”

OPINION. I thought I already explained that? Or does oji-sama not know how to read and understand?

“and what you mean on cartoonis design by okawa? rX 78 and zaku that made at 1979? and you compared with sentinel that made at 1987? think that son!
okawa design (gundams design) evoluted in Z and ZZ ”

Then oji-sama, in his vast experience and wisdom, should have seen Okawara’s designs for SEED. Can you please enlighten me on their proportions, which by the way was in 2002? Even the 0 Gundam (circa 2007 – but I’m sure oji-sama already knows that) had cartoonish proportions.

Okawara’s always been known for his cartoonish proportions, be it in Gundam or not, be it in 1979 or 2010.

“zeta that made at 1985 is a huge leap from first gundam, and they not like cartoonish”

I am respectfully sorry, oji-sama, but this whelp of a boy thinks Zeta designs were still cartoonish. A huge leap over 1979, yes, but cartoonish nonetheless.

“sentinel only used kobayashi, okamoto and akitaka idea in ZZ, in other way katoki get idea from his senior from previous gundam series”

Sigh… oji-sama is so cruel for bashing the parallel story.

“dont make bullshit in front of me son!!”

I’m sorry, oji-sama. I shouldn’t question your infinite knowledge and wisdom.

Seriously, I wouldn’t be surprised to find out that you are actually younger than me.

@iflameu:

Amen to that.

Comment by auriga

son why you are so, so idiot…

about sentinel and zz, you know it a parallel story, and you still claim katoki the first make realism? bullshit…design mecha in sentinel get big influence by kobayashi, okamoto and akitaka
work..so they are nothing new in katoki work,get clear about this, son!

now katoki fanbois just claim all okawa’s work and zeta are cartoonish, after insult okawa’s work now you insult fujita’s work! dont be bad kid, son! their work already be a legend..

katoki fanbois very arrogant, that his worshiped mecha designer was claim to be the first make realism, and called zeta design just a cartoonish…the eye of worshiper realy blind

Comment by dragon

@auriga
please dont put your biases opinion
“Okawara’s always been known for his cartoonish proportions, be it in Gundam or not, be it in 1979 or 2010.”
where is that come from?

http://digilander.libero.it/gundamweapons/mechadesigners.html

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Okawara designed all the mechas in the original Gundam TV serie, many mobile suits in subsequent series and some original robots for mobile suits encyclopaedia contributing with his excellent work to the success of many Gundam series. His design style is quite traditional, being far from Izubuchi smooth and rounded shapes and Katoki superdetailed style. Okawara was able to use different style registers in squared federation robots as well as rounded Zeon mobile suits, but always kept an eye to the realistic mechanics of the robots. In Gundam F-91 he quite successfully tried to revamp the old Gundam look adding more details and softer shapes.

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Fujita designed, together with Okawara, many of the Z-Gundam and GundamZZ mobile suits, while revising and cleaning up almost all the design works produced by other mecha-designers. He is extremely talented in producing original robots featuring a squared and complex structure, based on geometric shapes. He has the tendency to exaggerate and distort the weight balance of its robots, you can see it clearly in the Methuss, (the first mobile suit without a body) and in the Z-Gundam. If the anime version of MSZ-006 is quite traditional thanks to the hand of Okawara, the Kazumi Fujita version found in the modelkits market shows the author originality taken to its most bizarre consequences.

why gundam call real robot because different from other that provide a realistic structure to the mecha: it has joints in arms and legs, boosters in the feet and realistic weaponry. All these details add to the general idea that RX-78-2 wasn’t just a “super robot”, but a realistic war machine.

then about zeta, Zeta Gundam broke with the past and tradition neglecting the original Gundam design scheme and fully adopting the “geometric” style of Kazumi Fujita. This mechadesign has a perfect balance and an inner “stability” provided by the straight lines and simple shapes that contribute to add complexity to its structure.

if you like katoki ok, but dont make joke about other designer

Comment by khadira 09

@dragon:
1. “Cartoonish” =/= insult. At least I didn’t mean it that way. I recognize Okawara’s contributions to Gundam and mech design. It would be too much for me to expect realistic and proportionate lineart from him, but Gundam wouldn’t be what it is now if he wasn’t around. I cannot deny that.

2. I am not a Katoki fanboy. Nor do I speak on their behalf. At the most, I used (and I emphasize this) to be one. How many times do I have to repeat myself?

Heck, if anything, YOU’RE THE ARROGANT FANBOY. Hate Katoki all you want, but he’ll still be the guy with “Produced by KATOKI HAJIME” or “Gundam Models Designed and Produced by Ka.” displayed quite prominently on the box and manual. You cannot ignore that blatant fact, as much as I cannot (AND WILL NOT) deny the man that is Kunio Okawara.

And finally, moi, an idiot? Now that I think about it, wasting my time talking to a high-and-mighty blockhead like you is idiotic of me.

@khadira:
Congratulations for using another person’s opinions as reference. Maybe I’ll give you a pat on the back for not using Wikipedia while I’m at it.

Sigh… Here goes.

I know fully well that Gundam is a real robot series and not a super robot series.

But when I said that Okawara’s designs are “cartoonish,” I NEVER said that his designs are not real robot. So why bring that up?

To lay this stupid argument to rest, I’d like you to compare Okawara’s Freedom Gundam lineart (ca. 2002-2003) to BEE-CRAFT’s Freedom Gundam lineart (ca. 2004) found in the MG manual. That’s what I meant by “cartoonish” and out of proportion. Kapeesh?

Comment by auriga

^
katoki’s fanboy in rage…….

Comment by momo_Rider67

son, is your head okay? are you got amnesia?

what happen about your claimed that katoki the first designer who brought the element of realism and proportion in MS designs?..THIS IS THE BIGGEST INSULT that you made,and u are already make bullshit don’t you!

son i not talk about okawa only (or are you know okawa only??) but about fujita, kobayashi, okamoto, izubuchi, akitaka, first, zeta and ZZ that give big influence to katoki work in sentinel

and what the heck about your weird terminology “cartoonish”? that base on line art? you make another bullshit again?

yeah for katoki fanbois, if heard/saw ver.ka, they will loose their mind, be carefull son, don’t too adulated something..dont be pig of capitalism for bandai and katoki..you get it son!!

Comment by dragon

i think irrelevant to compare original design with bee craft that only remade other design to be a Master Grade, of course bee craft work more detailed becouse that their job!

Comment by goody fish

@dragon:
Okay, upon reflecting on my words I feel that “cartoonish” is a bit too much. But I will stand by my claim that Okawara’s work is out of proportion.

“son i not talk about okawa only (or are you know okawa only??) but about fujita, kobayashi, okamoto, izubuchi, akitaka, first, zeta and ZZ that give big influence to katoki work in sentinel”

As much as yes, Katoki’s work in Sentinel were based on designs by Fujita, Kobayashi, Akitaka and Okawara, he still made those designs into his own. Granted the FAZZ looked a lot like the original with a little retooling, but the S, Ex-S, and Xeku series were very original. Even the Z-Plus was (IMO) a good take on a mass-produced Zeta with proportions drastically different from the original that it warranted a new mold for the MG.

“that base on line art? you make another bullshit again?”

Of course I base my claims on the lineart. Because the lineart is pretty much the output of any designer. It isn’t as if Okawara (or any other designer – including Katoki) draws the Gundam in every cell it appears in – that’s the job of the other artists and animators.

“yeah for katoki fanbois, if heard/saw ver.ka, they will loose their mind, be carefull son, don’t too adulated something..dont be pig of capitalism for bandai and katoki..you get it son!!”

Yes, tell that to someone who has yet to own a Ver. Ka kit and thinks the GFF line is a waste of money.

But is it still to much for me to ask you to spell “Okawara” correctly?

@goody fish:
I wanted to point out the difference in proportion, not the detail. Yes, it’s BEE-CRAFT’s job to draw nice lineart. But are you saying that it isn’t Okawara’s job to draw decent, proportionate lineart?

I have yet to see Okawara draw in realistic proportions; someone else usually does it for him. I’ve already seen Ebikawa and Yanase redo their own work in 00 to levels which (IMO) surpass Katoki.

Comment by auriga

@dragon:

“son i not talk about okawa only (or are you know okawa only??) but about fujita, kobayashi, okamoto, izubuchi, akitaka, first, zeta and ZZ that give big influence to katoki work in sentinel”

Old fart, OkawaRA(your disrespect to Okawara-sensei DISGUSTS me) didn’t make realism. The first Gundam was hardly realistic in terms of art style until people begin to retool it for Bandai. Katoki’s design happens to be more well-known that others. As for the others, nothing was said about them. Stop flogging dead horses, or is your mind a one-way suicide track only?

“and what the heck about your weird terminology “cartoonish”? that base on line art? you make another bullshit again?”

NO U.

It WAS cartoonish, it IS cartoonish, it WILL BE cartoonish for the rest of Okawara’s days. Do we hate him for it? NO, because his first Gundam concepts are, in all retrospect, quite original. But then it has been 30 years now, and the contrast between 0 Gundam and Full Armor 0 is, to put it mildly, quite pronounced. The fact that Okawara’s style hasn’t changed in 30 years is the thing putting a dent in his rep., not the way he makes new mechs. Get on with the program, retard.

“yeah for katoki fanbois, if heard/saw ver.ka, they will loose their mind, be carefull son, don’t too adulated something..dont be pig of capitalism for bandai and katoki..you get it son!!”

Capitalism paid for the computer you’re using to type out your baseless rants, as well as that pair of week-old underwear you’re wearing now. Why don’t you go start a coup or something if you’re not happy with that, “capitalist pig”?

@momo_Rider67:

Thanks for restarting the fire, man, thanks a fucking million. The arsonists will love you for this. b-_-‘d

Comment by iflameu

^
Ur’re welcome!!
my aim is someone else, and you get burned…it’s mean you are katoki’s fanboy too

Comment by momo_Rider67

@momo_Rider67:

I never said anyone was burned. You need some reading glasses. (:3c

Fact is, Katoki made it big, his designs are now accepted as the benchmark for “detailism” mecha designs in the industry. Kunio Okawara is loved by the community for his old-style designs, as is Shoji Kawamori for his well-designed Valkyries. It’s like comparing benchmarks for high-quality plastic and high-quality seafood; completely DIFFERENT.

Many of you also forgot that Katoki made the entire original Virtual-On line; the Dorkas, Beldgor and Specineff are some examples that he’s not all boxes and cubes with lines. Just ignore his line of reworks if you’re really that butthurt about it and wait for a new job to be tossed his way.

As for me, yes, I damn well think that of his recent KA Albion, Gurren Lagann and Temjin, only the last is really worth buying and the price tag is like a 2-megaton nuclear warhead to my back pocket.

Fanboys? Yes. But unlike you, I don’t go around dissing people off for no reason like dragon and you do. Even dragon at least is being intellectual in his own, spelling-deficiet way by giving a reason, defunct though it might be.

Your baiting style still needs some brushing up. If you really want to bait Katoki fanboys, go post a video on YT about you breaking a KA kit with a hammer of something. ):3c

Comment by iflameu

ok son it is clear now that:

not katoki the first designer who brought the element of realism and proportion in MS designs, because katoki get big influence from senior designer from Z and ZZ, oh son.., why u not understand obaut this more early….

so your bullshit statement about cartoonish not used again? now you talk about proportion? how much bullshit want you make to insult okawa?

and what about Zeta that previously you insulted too with called “cartoonish”?

son, don’t embarrassed be idiot, we all here will teach you step-by-step until u understand….stir your stumps, son!!!!
and don’t be a bad kid son or i tweak ur ear…

Comment by dragon

to dragon please stop your troll to someone that too much, enough that already

auriga and other’s why you respond his troll, it just make him happy and you just like stupid when answer him

Comment by kimura

what? oh man..i’m not trolling..i just fishing here, and i got some idiot fish..not bad isn’t it?
ha..ha..ha

damn u kimura, now that idiot fish already know!

okey son!..bye..bye

Comment by dragon

dragon never really realized what we were trying to say to him, I guess…

Well, at least the smart ones will know to stay away from his brain-degen aura.

Comment by iflameu

@auriga

Geara Zulu is junk because it sticks out like a sore thumb in universe as a viable mass production suit for a rag tag resistance with limited financial support. The style is an uninspired nazi derivative. The lack of waist also bugs me to no end, compounded by his usual style of long legs and short waist. All this just because there needs to be a new zaku like suit. It’s not different enough to feel refreshing, not is it similar enough to feel consistent.

Wing Zero Custom is nice looking, but slapping a pair of bird like wings on a blocky Gundam isn’t much of a design IMO (to his credit he does try to smooth it out with new shoulder armor and arms). It’s superficial and lacks the detail-oriented consideration that he had shown in his previous designs/derivative. It doesn’t even have a bird-mode that is the defining character of Wing Gundam because it needs that silly angel-like silhouette

Comment by da_guy

“Geara Zulu is junk because it sticks out like a sore thumb in universe as a viable mass production suit for a rag tag resistance with limited financial support. The style is an uninspired nazi derivative. The lack of waist also bugs me to no end, compounded by his usual style of long legs and short waist. All this just because there needs to be a new zaku like suit. It’s not different enough to feel refreshing, not is it similar enough to feel consistent.”

At least it seems that I’m not the only one who has a problem with the Sleeves’ super-detail-pimped units.

Comment by Sgt. NoOb

re: Wing Gundam Zero Custom

Can’t say I’ve ever been a fan of this. Fate would have it that a friend would get me this kit at the PG grade as a surprise gift—wish it were strike at least. I’m curious as to da_guy’s opinion of a blocky & non-blocky MS design, side by side. The wings didn’t play too much of a part in the OVA, except for the ‘climactic’ unfurling of the gundam after being launched into into action. Of all the Wing Gundam renditions, the Wing Zero Custom ver ka. was, by far, my favorite.

re: Geara Zulu

I like it, a lot.

It combines the elements of Geara Doga and sleeks it down into compact unit and suitable unit like MS-06 Zaku II. I don’t really see how it “sticks out like a sore thumb”, given, the red comet sticks out like a sore thumb…on purpose, perhaps. If anyone is interested, Ngee has a side by side comparison of the HGUC models for Geara Zulu and Char’s MS-06S Zaku II:

http://ngeekhiongex.blogspot.com/2010/07/hguc-geara-zulu-part-2.html

Proportion-wise, I think there are strong similarities between Zaku II F2 (from 0083) and Geara Zulu. If anything, the torso is longer and slenderer than the MS-06F/S. And the uninspired nazi derivative? I’m assuming you’re talking about the head and the weapons? The ‘helmet’ is very similar to the B-type helmet for the MS-06FZ (0080) and the ‘face’ is very similar to Geara Doga. Sure, the skirt armor is more streamlined and much flatter on the Zulu than the Zaku, but there is a waist.🙂

AMS-129 Geara Zulu
http://www.mahq.net/mecha/gundam/unicorn/ams-129.htm

MS-06F Zaku II
http://www.mahq.net/Mecha/gundam/msgundam/ms-06f.htm

MS-06FZ Zaku II Kai
http://www.mahq.net/mecha/gundam/0080/ms-06fz.htm

MS-06F2 Zaku Type F2
http://www.mahq.net/mecha/gundam/0083/ms-06f2.htm

AMS-119 Geara Doga
http://www.mahq.net/mecha/gundam/cca/ams-119.htm

(sorry for duplicate comment)

Comment by BlueAleseides

@BlueAleseides:

“It combines the elements of Geara Doga and sleeks it down into compact unit and suitable unit like MS-06 Zaku II. I don’t really see how it “sticks out like a sore thumb”, given, the red comet sticks out like a sore thumb…on purpose, perhaps. If anyone is interested, Ngee has a side by side comparison of the HGUC models for Geara Zulu and Char’s MS-06S Zaku II:”

General looks, yes. But Katoki’s so fond of fancy decals and surface designs that the Gera Zulu ends up looking like a rich man’s bling-plated antique mobile suit; while this is forgivable for the Royal Guard type, it’s really streching the boundaries of a unit that was supposedly to be built in a MS chop shop by dirt-poor rebels.

Comment by Sgt. NoOb

@ Sgt. NoOb

Interesting, i didn’t realize the Sleeves were “dirt-poor”. In that case, I wouldn’t blame Katoki for the choice of fancy decals and surface designs, instead, Harutoshi Fukui for choosing Katoki to illustrate his Neo-Zeon MS. Would you say that Neo-Zeon is more poor than Crossbone Vanguard or Oldsmobile? Despite the trim on the Zulu, there actually aren’t many decals for the kit…HGUCs these days don’t have much in the way of markings. I wouldn’t say it’s stretching the boundaries, other than the ‘sleeves’ on the wrists and the plain white emblem on the chest, there aren’t a lot of fancy decals.

Not getting into too much history and politics, but I wonder about the financial status of the Sleeves. How did they afford to create the massive Kshyatriya, develop the Rozen Zulu and Zee Zulu,or the MA Shamblo? Compared to the Oldsmobile Army (Mars Zeon), who used old MS and stole a Gundam F90, I don’t think the Sleeves are quite as poor…

But I’m open to your insight.

Comment by BlueAleseides

@ BlueAleseides:

“…Not getting into too much history and politics, but I wonder about the financial status of the Sleeves. How did they afford to create the massive Kshyatriya, develop the Rozen Zulu and Zee Zulu,or the MA Shamblo? Compared to the Oldsmobile Army (Mars Zeon), who used old MS and stole a Gundam F90, I don’t think the Sleeves are quite as poor……”

That’s what I want to know as well. Supposedly, and I say SUPPOSEDLY there are weak, financially. I haven’t read the Unicorn novels yet, so my views on the in-universe opinion about the Zulu’s designs, as well as what I am going to say here, is purely guesswork. Feel free to correct me, if need be.

The Sleeves, being a Neo-Zeon remnant, has the massive Kshatriya and the high-performance Sinanju. That can be attributed to them gaining the massive unit, supposedly built but never put into action in the period between CCA and UG. Zeon is famous for having enough one-shot designs to fill a colony with them, many of them fully combat capable but never making the cut for one reason or another(Zudah, Neu Ziel, etc.).

If I remember correctly, the Oldsmobile Army is chronologically the last Neo-Zeon related remnant. They’ve had a few good decades to build up their strength in various ways. The Sleeves, however, exist a mere handful of years just after CCA, so I expected that they shouldn’t be that well-off; maybe three or four units are ok, but inbetween the Sinanju, Shamblo, Kshatriya, and mass-producing the normal Zulu variants, one has to wonder where is their cash coming from, aside from a company backing them (as Anaheim(sp?) is wont to dodiscreetly) or they happen to be even better at money laundering than Veda can manipulate the stock market.

And as for Crossbone, SNRI has always been backing them from behind the shadows in one manner or another. Mobile Suits in the UC and most AU have never been depicted as prohibitively expensive; instead, the so-called ace-customs on the field only exist as one-of-a-kind because there aren’t enough pilots to justify mass-production.

The final blind guess is that the Geara Zulu is a modified Geara Doga. The massive difference in style between the two can be attributed to different IRL designers.

After looking at the Unicorn designs again, I’ll admit that the Geara Zulu wasn’t as bling as I (wrongly) remembered it; but Katoki’s design style is not really suited to designing rebel groups supposedly backed by no one on the run; it lacks a “rebel” look to it; the rough-looking unit in desperate need of a good overhaul session. If I were new to Gundam, I’d probably mistake the Geara Zulu for some mass-production unit for a large, well-equipped army. As for the Nazi motif, well, can,’t say much, it was always there in some way or another (Zeon flag, Zaku Kai’s head design and machinegun, profileration of nummerous prototypes, etc.)

On a sidenote, the Gundam Wiki says that “Although an efficient mobile suit, it is obviously outperformed by the ReZEL mobile suits due to both their mobility and firepower.” I wonder…

Comment by Sgt. NoOb

“…The Sleeves, being a Neo-Zeon remnant, has the massive Kshatriya and the high-performance Sinanju. That can be attributed to them gaining the massive unit, supposedly built but never put into action in the period between CCA and UG. …”

I should read before I post. To my knowledge, the Sinanju and Kshatriya are stolen goods fron Anaheim.

Comment by Sgt. NoOb

@ Sgt. NoOb

Thanks…and given I haven’t read the novels either (if only they translated it to English), I’m as in the dark as you are. I know you’re not a big fan of Katoki’s designs for this series, but Ngee announced a new Gundam UC Mecha Designs book being released:

I’ve read that Geara Zulu is a modification of Geara Doga (this is also partially supported by the serial number). As far as mass production Zeon MS…and even Federation MS, I think they did it best in 08th MS Team, which was a joint project by Hajime Katoki,Kunio Okawara and,
Kimitoshi Yamane. I agree with you that Katoki’s designs are a little much for the remnant feel…which begs the question:

Where did the Sleeves get their funding? Secrets…

Comment by BlueAleseides




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